Surface beneath the siding and around window frames not completely sealed. Improper flashing as well. Allowed seepage over 8 years, causing big damage
Although this company also goes by Energy Star Windows, it is the parent or sister company with which we have an issue: Dallas Home Exteriors, Inc. (Note they both share same address and have same owner: ***** *******). Dallas Home Exteriors installed siding on our home in June, 2005.
The siding was not flashed correctly (despite us being billed extra for this), so water has been leaking behind it, unnoticed, for the last 8 years. Only the continued cracking of our inside walls and then one window pane led us to have the problem checked out. It was then that we discovered the source: rotting due to water seepage and moisture accumulation over all that time.
Much insulation was never installed; The frames around the large windows were not sealed; The entire area did not have a moisture barrier; The holes where electrical wiring came out were not sealed or insulated.
Most of the improper installation and consequent damage centers around the atrium area. But there are areas other than the atrium where improper installation and damage is also noticeable.
We had Mr. ******* come out to show him the work his crew had done -or, rather not done. Although he could not overcome the argument or our contractor, he still refused to accept responsibility.
We then had our insurance company come out to assess the damage. They, in turn, brought out their own experts. In their written report to us, they agreed with our contractor that "the vinyl siding installed by ***** ******* of Dallas Home Exteriors in June 2005 was installed improperly."
We want a full refund, $9450.00. We don't think that is too much to ask; replacement 8 years later will cost us 3 times that much. Plus, we will have very high expenses on the inside of the house, replacing at least 2 columns in the atrium which have rotted through, reframing all the windows, taping & bedding, resurfacing and painting. This guy's irresponsible installation has caused us untold discomfort and a lot of financial pain and suffering! The sad part is that we chose him, primarily because of his BBB rating and the neighborhood association recommendation. Goes to show...
In response to the consumer's complaint # XXXXXXXX
Vinyl siding is a product designed to cover a home's existing wood to prevent future paintings.
It has never claimed or will ever claim to seal off a home from water.
Roofers flash and gutter is necessary to direct water flow.
We just cover the wood.
During heavy rains, water is surely seeping underneath the siding and around the windows.
This particular has a home with an interior atrium with no overhang. A design flaw by the builder. There is simply no where for the water to go.
This is the only place where they had issues.
I came out on 3 occasions. Offered my services to help with replacing some rotted wood issues.
Their insurance agent stood me up . I asked them to please have her call me to re-schedule. Never heard back from anyone.
Even my siding guy who offered to help replace wood asked why he never heard back from anyone.
We replace rotted wood when we originally completed project over 8 years ago proving they had issues long before we did their siding.
They had rotten wood issues then.
The home has old leaky windows as well which will , over time, lead to interior water damage.
They had a relative down from Colorado who claimed to be an expert on siding. He wasn't.
As soon as he said he used to remove the windows prior to installing the siding , I knew he wasn't what he claimed.
No company in the history of siding companies has ever removed the windows (unless they were getting new windows) to install siding!
This is the first complaint in 17 years against Dallas Home Exteriors.
I am sorry for the problems they have incurred from water damage over the past 40 years . I'm dealing with the same issues myself at my house.
(But I'm not blaming the roofer who replaced my roof 9 years ago.) time passes, roofs leak, homes aren't water proof. My house is old.
But they had these issues long before we completed the siding project.
(The consumer indicated he/she DID NOT accept the response from the business.)
We have reorganized the company owner's arguments in order to make our response more clear and concise. Here is what he says, and how we respond:
1. "...vinyl does not seal off a home from water." And later: "During heavy rains, water is surely seeping underneath the siding and around the windows."
RESPONSE: That is precisely why it is so important to make sure the areas to be covered by siding are properly sealed, wrapped and flashed before siding is installed:
CITY OF PLANO BUILDING INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT
Per section R703, 2003 International Residential Code, all weather-exposed surfaces shall have a weather-resistive barrier* to protect the interior wall covering. Ex. Waterproof building paper or asphalt saturated felt.
The weather resistive barrier* may be omitted when a water-repellent panel sheathing is used. If the sheathing is not specifically listed for such use, the Building Inspections Department will determine if the sheathing has characteristics that are water-repellent. Ex. a "non-porous" covering.
Unless otherwise lapped 2", all horizontal joints shall be taped to complete the weather resistive barrier.*
* What Is a Water-Resistive Barrier System? It is a system that includes water shedding materials and water diversion materials. Water-resistive barrier systems commonly consist of a combination of exterior cladding, flashed wall openings and penetrations, water-resistive barrier material, and sheathing. Effective water-resistive barrier systems will shed the water initially, control moisture flow by capillary and diffusion action, and minimize absorption into the wall structure. The level of water resistance required is determined by the applicable building code and structure.
Best Practice: To achieve designed performance, vinyl siding must be installed over a water-resistive barrier system that includes (1) a continuous water-resistive material, and (2) properly integrated flashing
around all penetrations and where vinyl siding interfaces with other building products such as brick, stone, or stucco.
2. "Roofers flash and gutter is necessary to direct water flow."
RESPONSE: Agreed. And we paid this man an extra $150.00 when he said this was necessary, although we felt it should automatically be part of the expensive installation.
3. "We replaced rotted wood when we originally completed project."
RESPONSE: We have photographs showing where siding was installed over old rotten wood, which was not replaced. Many of the same photographs show that no waterproof wraps or insulation were placed over the wood prior to them being covered by vinyl.
4. "Offered my services to help with replacing some rotted wood issues." And later: "Even my siding guy who offered to help replace wood asked why he never heard back from anyone."
RESPONSE: Seems like this installer is admitting that there were rotten wood issues... We didn't want him to replace rotten wood; it was too late for that. We wanted him to help with all the damage that his improper, negligent installation caused. We had no reason to have any contact information for HIS EMPLOYEE, the 'siding guy'. But we certainly would not want his crew to touch our house again unless they were supervised by OUR contractor -who needed to be paid by the company owner. This is what we proposed to him in our Certified Letter #XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX, dated 5-9-13. Either that, we said, or reimburse us for repairing the areas in question. It was THIS OWNER who did not respond!
5. "This the atrium is the only place where they had issues.
RESPONSE: False. We have photographs of missing wrap/insulation and improper installation in many other areas away from the atrium as well. Who knows what we would see if we would have had to remove all the vinyl that was installed...
6. "The home has old leaky windows as well which will, over time, lead to interior water damage." And later adds: "No company in the history of siding companies has ever removed the windows (unless they were getting new windows) to install siding!"
RESPONSE: Why would he say he replaced rotten wood on the walls and not replace rotten wood around the windows? Incidentally, photos show he only replaced a few rotten planks on the walls -see #3. Why would he place protective barriers on walls and not around windows? On walls, erratically (#3); and on windows (by his own admission) not at all.
7. "This particular has a home with an interior atrium with no overhang... ...There is simply no where for the water to go."
RESPONSE: There is ample drainage on the ground, or else we would have had a problem with flooding. Never had any trouble. This is just a 'cop-out'.
The rest of the points brought up by the owner of this siding company are also debatable, but not sufficiently important for us to risk going 'over' our allotted number of words.
TO SUMMARIZE: Here is a paragraph in a letter to us from Nationwide Insurance, based on their expert's opinions:
"Our review showed that both contractors, ****** ***** and **** ****** of Way Construction, concur the vinyl siding installed by ***** ****** of Dallas Home Exteriors, Inc in June 2005 was installed improperly. Specifically, the correct flashings and house wrap were not installed. This improper installation has allowed water over time to seep through causing wet and dry rot to the wood framing, wood siding, interior drywall and finishes on the interior walls as well as ceiling surrounding the atrium."
***** ******** Nationwide Lloyds Insurance Co.,
One Nationwide Gateway, Dept. 5574,
Des Moines, IA XXXXX